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PostPosted: Tuesday September 7th, 2004 15:36    Post subject: buzz installer Reply with quote

not tryin to steal rp's thunder or anything Wink , but i've been meaning to make my own version of a buzz installer and i've finally done so..

http://www.plosive.net/buzz/install.html

It'll change quite a bit. Right now it's a rather simple installer/uninstaller, no PVST, no Overloader.

btw, the disclaimer about posting it on other websites is only for the time being until I finish a final version that does everything I want.
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PostPosted: Monday October 11th, 2004 10:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHERE ARE THE MACHINE DEVELOPMENT FILES?! WE NEED THE MACHINE DEVELOPMENT FILES!

(dev/ in the original buzz distro. nowhere to be found. really, is there really no single good distro with all the important stuff in it? might be the reason why people find it hard to install a good, working version of buzz.)

other than that, way to go mute!

uh, another problem: screamwaver is included but it doesn't work (no overloader, right?).
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PostPosted: Monday October 11th, 2004 11:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

well... to put in my stuff:

i tried to install ye olde bm massive pack the other day on my new comp, without success... i tried -EVERYTHING-... without success...

then i decided to go and try to install it the oldschool style, 1.04 -> 1.1 -> 1.2 -> 1.2 new exe -> overloader and so on...

after all that i just took the gear folder of my old buzz installation on the other comp and just put it in the new one.

know what? it worked... no buzz crashes so far, no machine failing, hell i even did not have any noise bursts so far.

pretty weird, but well... maybe that is useful info for you, since all other installers that mess around in registry and installation routines have failed, say bm massive packs, lasers buzzxp installer and every other there is around.

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PostPosted: Monday October 11th, 2004 12:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

e-client wrote:
then i decided to go and try to install it the oldschool style, 1.04 -> 1.1 -> 1.2 -> 1.2 new exe -> overloader and so on...


I'd DEFINITELY do it that way but I can't find the original installers anywhere on the net!
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PostPosted: Monday October 11th, 2004 12:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey nice job mute, i installed it here, and it worked first time, no compat mode or anything else, also the installation mechanism (is transparent which i like unlike xinod's...)

did u see my thread about a machine pack ?

http://www.buzzchurch.com/viewtopic.php?t=170

i carefully sorted out alot of buzz gens/effs ...

maybe possible to add here ?
i can clean up that machines dir somemore ...

maybe two versions of installs ? big / basic (current) ?

just some ideas...
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PostPosted: Monday October 11th, 2004 12:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

also about the .txt

does buzzformat still exist ? worth the mention ?

oh but wait what is this ?

coming soon 'mute's articles' ? How YOU doin?
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PostPosted: Monday October 11th, 2004 13:05    Post subject: tips.txt Reply with quote

here is some possible adds for the tips.txt

http://web.hibo.no/~mva/board.php?p=35374
http://web.hibo.no/~mva/board.php?p=35375

almost all the tips from buzzmachines.com

of course the crappy ones have to be removed =p
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PostPosted: Monday October 11th, 2004 19:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

register those packs with the buzzwiki, along with a description along the lines of "pack for ppl who don't want unnecessary magic to happen" or so...
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PostPosted: Monday October 11th, 2004 19:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

there's several things i need to fix with that install already which is why i wanted to put it out while im still working on it.. a bunch of ppl have already pointed out some helpful things i mistakenly did. nevertheless.. it's going to change alot. thnx for the links..

i'll check out the packs you guys've worked on, clarion and paniq mentioned something about it earlier too..

as for screamwaver, it doesn't require overloader.. does it? i didnt think it did. didnt actually mean to include it in this install, at least not without an option.

but yeah there's alot more work to be done. when i make one im happy with for myself i'll start work on a couple others to satisfy other users and a barebones no frills version.
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PostPosted: Wednesday October 13th, 2004 11:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

ld0d wrote:
e-client wrote:
then i decided to go and try to install it the oldschool style, 1.04 -> 1.1 -> 1.2 -> 1.2 new exe -> overloader and so on...


I'd DEFINITELY do it that way but I can't find the original installers anywhere on the net!


if you want i can send you the things? =)
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PostPosted: Wednesday October 13th, 2004 12:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="e-client"]
ld0d wrote:
e-client wrote:
then i decided to go and try to install it the oldschool style, 1.04 -> 1.1 -> 1.2 -> 1.2 new exe -> overloader and so on...


I'd DEFINITELY do it that way but I can't find the original installers anywhere on the net!


http://www.sonicspot.com/buzz/files.html

u sure ?
btw, this installation process is not necessary anymore, using the floppy install or whatever will work fine too ...(just missing ol, pvst, machines, sw, etc, etc..)
google -
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,640 for 'download buzz 1.04' (0.30 seconds
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PostPosted: Wednesday October 13th, 2004 13:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

nool wrote:
http://www.sonicspot.com/buzz/files.html


Excellent. And the fixed exe can be dl'd from buzzwiki. yay!

EXCEPT that the new 1.2b8 dev files aren't included in those buzz install files anyways. Argh.
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PostPosted: Wednesday October 13th, 2004 17:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to be very common that people give up the idea of using buzz, since they think you need to be a rockets scientist get it work.
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PostPosted: Thursday October 14th, 2004 16:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xenobioz wrote:
It seems to be very common that people give up the idea of using buzz, since they think you need to be a rockets scientist get it work.


not necessary, you can do it even if you know only a bit of computer stuff, like installing stuff in the right order... =)

its only about doing one thing after the other... there is no fancy stuff to it, really...

and anyway... who gives up, doesnt know what he misses... and is a lazy bastard and should just get a mac...
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PostPosted: Thursday October 14th, 2004 21:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://web.archive.org/web/20020611061659/www.303.org/buzz/installs/

same as the original jeskola download page but different colors, i had this online for a few years.
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PostPosted: Saturday October 16th, 2004 14:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

mute wrote:

as for screamwaver, it doesn't require overloader.. does it? i didnt think it did. didnt actually mean to include it in this install, at least not without an option.


i believe that is correct Smile no ol needed but recommended !
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PostPosted: Saturday October 16th, 2004 14:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

nool wrote:
mute wrote:

as for screamwaver, it doesn't require overloader.. does it? i didnt think it did. didnt actually mean to include it in this install, at least not without an option.


i believe that is correct Smile no ol needed but recommended !


Still it fails to start... Razz
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PostPosted: Monday October 18th, 2004 15:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="nool"]
e-client wrote:

btw, this installation process is not necessary anymore, using the floppy install or whatever will work fine too ...(just missing ol, pvst, machines, sw, etc, etc..)


just that you know: i tried that. dont ask me why, but it did not do the trick...

i -HAD- to do it the old way for some reason... still, its bad that the installers did not work, and if i actually knew what the exact reason was, it would actually be of any help to people, or *packager people*... like this, i can not really say why it did not work after the install... (note: i tried several, none helped). very very strange tho...

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PostPosted: Wednesday October 27th, 2004 21:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

are you running XP and the new service pack? cause that kept things from working on my new computer until I made it so buzz ran in some non default mode.
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PostPosted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 21:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope is better than the other installer, coz buzz is not working anymore since I installed the l8est version of it on my pc Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sunday March 6th, 2005 19:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

mute - what is the current status of your installer?
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PostPosted: Sunday March 6th, 2005 23:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

im working on it right now actually, and im going to split it into a couple of different branches.
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PostPosted: Tuesday March 8th, 2005 11:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if anyone alse has this problem, but using this installer, I get some serious memory leakage issues. I notice this slow, steady climb in memory allocated to Buzz. If I leave Buzz running for a couple days (not unusual, since I'm lazy that way), it'll crash the system hard (I'm running 2K, in case you're curious). And exiting Buzz doesn't kill the process - I have to go do it manually in Task Manager or else it'll keep gobbling up memory. I've never had this problem with any other install, and even with a fair bit of experimenting, I still can't figure out what causes it.

Thought you might be interested.

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PostPosted: Tuesday March 8th, 2005 12:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I use the same buzz install since some years now.

So, for those who have a Buzz running fine, do like this :
Burn on a cd your Buzz directory, as it is.
If one cd is not enough, just zip the different biggest folder (I have a VST folder that is very, very big - 1 Gig!! I made two zip with it) and burn them on more than one cd.

When you have a new computer, just drag and drop your original buzz folder (or unzip) to the place where you use to have Buzz installed. That's all!!

It works like a charm, for me at last.

I have done that 5 or 6 times these last years (under Win 95, Win98, Win98 second edit, Win XP Pro) and I never, yes never, had problems of re-installing Buzz!!

Many people forget that Buzz doesnt really need install.
But what is doing mute is a good idea too, of course. Coz there is a lot of people having problems.

Hope that helps Smile

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PostPosted: Tuesday March 8th, 2005 13:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathansnider wrote:
Don't know if anyone alse has this problem, but using this installer, I get some serious memory leakage issues. I notice this slow, steady climb in memory allocated to Buzz. If I leave Buzz running for a couple days (not unusual, since I'm lazy that way), it'll crash the system hard (I'm running 2K, in case you're curious). And exiting Buzz doesn't kill the process - I have to go do it manually in Task Manager or else it'll keep gobbling up memory. I've never had this problem with any other install, and even with a fair bit of experimenting, I still can't figure out what causes it.

Thought you might be interested.

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Are you using a different audio driver than before?
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PostPosted: Tuesday March 8th, 2005 15:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

magmavander wrote:
When you have a new computer, just drag and drop your original buzz folder (or unzip) to the place where you use to have Buzz installed. That's all!!


Not so...

If you want cheapo amp to continue working you need strange things to have happened in relation to this file: "msvcr70.dll"

But you can do that with the buzzfixkit that should've been copied across with the original buzz folder.

Or at least that's what I had to do...
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PostPosted: Tuesday March 8th, 2005 15:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, as long as we are talking about a new computer, i would not expect any problems related to visual c runtime version 7.

but anyway, some people might say otherwise because the buzz-fu is already so deeply rooted in their brains, but buzz is not easy. it's just not as impossible to get to run as those in the dark might think it is.

but expecting out-of-the-box performance like even most commercial software (without the added difficulty of lost source) does not give is like comparing the maintenance intervals of a toyota family car with those of a racing car in active duty.
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any yet, the toyota beats the formual 1 car .
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PostPosted: Tuesday March 15th, 2005 22:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

wayfinder wrote:

Are you using a different audio driver than before?


No, it was using DirectX both times, controling the internal soundcard on the laptop. It's sort of wierd. I mean, I would assume that using the same version of the Buzz executable and Overloader would produce the same results. I'm left wondering whether one of the machines in the Mute install is buggy, or whether I need a different version of some system DLL. Since no one else seems to be having the problem, I guess it's something different about my setup.

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PostPosted: Tuesday March 15th, 2005 23:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

[definition: "buzz output driver" is one of those wo_*.dll files]

are you using the same sound card driver (not buzz output driver) or notebook chipset driver as before?

well possible that the dx buzz output driver (which can be a bitch at times, like most buzz output drivers) fucks up with a certain version of the sound card driver, could even be a different one on the cd that came with the computer than the one that was installed on the hd
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usr wrote:
are you using the same sound card driver (not buzz output driver) or notebook chipset driver as before?

well possible that the dx buzz output driver (which can be a bitch at times, like most buzz output drivers) fucks up with a certain version of the sound card driver, could even be a different one on the cd that came with the computer than the one that was installed on the hd


Definitely the same driver. I had the Buzzmachines Massive version installed originally, uninstalled it, installed Mute's version, and then started noticing the memory leak. When I uninstalled Mute's version and reinstalled the Buzzmachines version, the memory leak disappeared. Right now, I have both versions (Mute's and the Buzzmachines Massive) installed simultaneously, and they behave more-or less the same as they did individually, except for a bit of registry tug-of-war. But since the Massive install tends to crash on startup so often anyway (ever since my last HD format, at least), running fixkit has pretty much become second nature lately.

Where does one find the original "oldskool" installers these days, with the (how did it go?) v1.0->v1.1->1.2b patcher and all that? Seems like that might be the only way to really test out this problem without resorting to voodoo.

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PostPosted: Wednesday March 16th, 2005 5:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathansnider wrote:

Where does one find the original "oldskool" installers these days, with the (how did it go?) v1.0->v1.1->1.2b patcher and all that? Seems like that might be the only way to really test out this problem without resorting to voodoo.

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