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i want to skin energyxt as much as possible to have the feel of buzz, if anyone wants to contribute once i get the window border and modular view finished.. let me know and I'll post the buzz.gui somewhere.
http://www.plosive.net/buzz/img/buzzext.gif
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| Cool - nice idea. |
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| Posted: Friday May 13th, 2005 16:17 Post subject: |
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Oh no, you used one of my horrible skins in there 
Seriously though, nice work. |
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| Posted: Saturday May 14th, 2005 8:45 Post subject: |
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ahaha btd, yah that was just testin ideas phase. ;]
- im making progress, i'll post the .gui soon.
btw, anyone thought of making a simple MIDI (out) tracker VST? I mean real simple? it'd be sweet in eXT, or anything else for that matter.
(psst.. http://ztracker.sourceforge.net/ ... )
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| Posted: Sunday May 15th, 2005 0:24 Post subject: |
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click on the imgs for larger ones. i still need to make better machine skins, but for most of the typical stuff I'll use the default buzz look.
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| Posted: Sunday May 15th, 2005 8:22 Post subject: |
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| that looks damn sexy mute! |
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| Posted: Sunday May 15th, 2005 16:44 Post subject: |
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| mute wrote: | ahaha btd, yah that was just testin ideas phase. ;]
- im making progress, i'll post the .gui soon.
btw, anyone thought of making a simple MIDI (out) tracker VST? I mean real simple? it'd be sweet in eXT, or anything else for that matter.
(psst.. http://ztracker.sourceforge.net/ ... ) |
I think there is one.. not sure though.
Man, this post is immensely useful 
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| Quote: | | I think there is one.. not sure though. |
There isn't really.
Well.. there's Berotracker VSTi alpha, but in order to edit you have to launch the standalone exe, save, load,.. not cool.
ReViSiT, aside from having the worst name ever.. appears to be cool, but won't have MIDI support for a long time, if its ever finished at all.
I don't get it really.. a simple Tracker VST shouldn't be too hard to make, specially for ppl that've been doing it for years (unlike bero and revisit which are both being coded by mostly unexperienced programmers). Even more so if its just a basic MIDI tracker with very few commands.
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| z_tetha wrote: | | sexy mute! |
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there was a guy on the vst dev mailing list who had a question he needed answered to write a tracker vst, but a few months later i realized the guy was just funkfx 8)
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| Posted: Wednesday May 18th, 2005 1:34 Post subject: |
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| mute wrote: | | I don't get it really.. a simple Tracker VST shouldn't be too hard to make, specially for ppl that've been doing it for years (unlike bero and revisit which are both being coded by mostly unexperienced programmers). Even more so if its just a basic MIDI tracker with very few commands. |
Why do you think I'm an unexperienced programmer? Just because I've got only a few projects online or I'm not working on BeRoTracker all the time? Would you know in which products code fragments are in, written by me... For more information goto http://bero.0ok.de and http://www.berotracker.de/resampling/. BeRoTracker is in first line a standalone tracker. The current VSTi version is only a rough scheme (coded on only one day). The next VSTi version will have include the new ImpulseTracker-like GUI (see http://www.berotracker.de/downloads/testing/BeRoTracker.exe ) . |
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| bero wrote: |
Why do you think I'm an unexperienced programmer? Just because I've got only a few projects online or I'm not working on BeRoTracker all the time? Would you know in which products code fragments are in, written by me... For more information goto http://bero.0ok.de and http://www.berotracker.de/resampling/. BeRoTracker is in first line a standalone tracker. The current VSTi version is only a rough scheme (coded on only one day). The next VSTi version will have include the new ImpulseTracker-like GUI (see http://www.berotracker.de/downloads/testing/BeRoTracker.exe ) . |
Hey bero, I didnt mean any spite by it towards you or chris nash (revisit guy). I mostly meant unexperienced in Tracker coding, but 'unexperienced' was a poor choice of words.
My point was more towards the fact that there's a handful of people that've been coding for/in trackers for at least 8+ years or more that I've come to know well and no one from that scene seems to be doing anything, but complaining about it at the same time. Many who could rip out a simple midi vsti tracker in relatively no time compared to the full on projects already in progress.
I like berotracker and revisit and personally see them as the two most promising developments out of the many (what seems hundreds) of tracker projects going on. I tell people about them all the time actually.
It's not my intention to ever talk shit on developers (except one or 2  ), I definitly didnt mean to come across that way.. but I'm sure it did. My apologies and goodluck w/ berotracker 
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| Posted: Wednesday May 18th, 2005 12:45 Post subject: |
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| mute wrote: |
Hey bero, I didnt mean any spite by it towards you or chris nash (revisit guy). I mostly meant unexperienced in Tracker coding, but 'unexperienced' was a poor choice of words.
My point was more towards the fact that there's a handful of people that've been coding for/in trackers for at least 8+ years or more that I've come to know well and no one from that scene seems to be doing anything, but complaining about it at the same time. Many who could rip out a simple midi vsti tracker in relatively no time compared to the full on projects already in progress.
I like berotracker and revisit and personally see them as the two most promising developments out of the many (what seems hundreds) of tracker projects going on. I tell people about them all the time actually.
It's not my intention to ever talk shit on developers (except one or 2 ), I definitly didnt mean to come across that way.. but I'm sure it did. My apologies and goodluck w/ berotracker |
I'm coding on BeRoTracker since 1999 (I put it first in Dec 2004 in the public) .My playerengine is technically better than the engine from ModPlug, MadTracker, etc. It has also the best resamping engine of any free tracker (see http://www.berotracker.de/resampling/ ). Except SysEx, it has complete MIDI support. It loads most of the old formats nearly perfect, where other trackers are having big problems (ex. Renoise/MadTracker and the IT format) |
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| Posted: Wednesday May 18th, 2005 13:59 Post subject: |
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with any luck it will work inside Buzz |
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I hope you keep your "classic" version going too.. I could care less about impulse tracker.
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Since you guys brought up the subject... I feel like a rant. Nothing towards berotracker directly, but merely the whole subject of ppl 'cloning' IT and old trackers.
Does anyone really want this anymore?
 
Besides, IT's GUI was nothing more than a spin-off of screamtracker which looked identical. When did st3 come out? 91? So these latest trackers that attempt to look like Impulse Tracker are really trying to look like something that was designed nearly 15 years ago! How niche!
Examples:
Cheese Tracker / opensource / multiplatform
zTracker - midi tracker
Schism Tracker, also another one based on ModPlug code.
Skale, one of the more respectable ones.. and a fasttracker clone ... along side renoise:
ReNoise - mostly based on FastTracker and actually started off from arguru's FastFucker code. I think it's all rewritten nowadays tho. Feature/Stability wise -- its arguably the only "old design" tracker worth using.
A cool VST tracker project that I can't wait to see updated. Also a IT clone. The colors really kill my eyes.
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That's not the end of the list either. See my point tho? How many times do people need to repeat the past? I mean c'mon! It's been done already.
Just give me a light-weight, no GUI fluff and no retro-amiga-or-DOS gui. 
ok rant over
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reViSiT v0.86.4 Alpha released! btw and probably newer ones are available to those who bugreported for v0.86.4. so sign yourself up to the bugreports, everyone interested in its development.
renoise does look pretty nifty, especially if you are a fasttracker enthusiast... |
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| Posted: Thursday May 19th, 2005 18:05 Post subject: |
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| mute wrote: | | I hope you keep your "classic" version going too.. I could care less about impulse tracker. |
I couldn't care less about what you care about, although I probably could care less about "could care less" vs. "couldn't care less"
Anyway, I loved Impulse Tracker to pieces, but what made it such an effective an fast tool wasn't its look but its functionality, as in, for example, GAPLESS keyboard support - you could turn off the mouse completely (which I did) and use only the keyboard for everything, including drawing envelopes and so on. I really, really, really miss that in all other trackers. And there were just so many little things that made life easier. Most of them were independent of the GUI. Like treating modules as directories when browsing for samples. Keyjazzing samples directly off the HD in the sample browser - not just autoplay at a fixed sample rate. A view that made it clear where the panning currently was - [b]FUCK[(b] ft2-style spectroscopes, they're useless. A super simple way to mute/solo channels or instruments. Stuff like that.
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| Quote: | | GAPLESS keyboard support - you could turn off the mouse completely (which I did) |
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| Posted: Thursday May 19th, 2005 22:11 Post subject: |
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| wayfinder wrote: | | A view that made it clear where the panning currently was |
It was always the most fun part of playing a song, watching those small pinkish squares run around like maniacs
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| wayfinder wrote: | | I couldn't care less about what you care about, although I probably could care less about "could care less" vs. "couldn't care less" |
what, i dont have room for personal taste? actually, i skipped IT altogether. I used it for a little while, but after st3 i started using non-trackers. I loved screamtracker, but once the replacements started comming out i was annoyed that they were all going for that same type of gui enviroment. seemed archaic to me then, still does. some ppl like that niche stuff tho (geeks!  ). I didnt return to trackers until buzz came out.
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that was my point, or at least one of them.
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A super simple way to mute/solo channels or instruments. Stuff like that. |
what app is it difficult to mute/solo in? its usually just a button or keyboard shortcut away 
IT compared to Fasttracker however... IT won hands down. No comparison IMO ;]
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| mute wrote: | | what app is it difficult to mute/solo in? its usually just a button or keyboard shortcut away |
Buzz? I don't know.. at least in the wavetable i haven't found out how to mute/solo samples.. in the pattern editor i haven't found out how to mute/solo channels.. and neither in ld mixer, other than using the mouse
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| wayfinder wrote: | | mute wrote: | | what app is it difficult to mute/solo in? its usually just a button or keyboard shortcut away |
Buzz? I don't know.. at least in the wavetable i haven't found out how to mute/solo samples.. in the pattern editor i haven't found out how to mute/solo channels.. and neither in ld mixer, other than using the mouse |
I dont really see any practical use in solo-ing samples in a modern sequencer (most dont even have 'wavetables'). made sense in old trackers...
soloing channels from a pattern... ctrl-L
ld mixer.. don't get me started. that thing could've been so cool. instead i find it one big frustration and try to forget it exists.
Anyways, name another mains-mixer where you dont have to click on a S or M. Or better yet, don't, yer just nitpicking and makin shit up now 
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| Posted: Saturday May 21st, 2005 7:48 Post subject: |
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| mute wrote: | | soloing channels from a pattern... ctrl-L |
Nopes, that's soloing a machine. Different thing!
| Quote: | ld mixer.. don't get me started. that thing could've been so cool. instead i find it one big frustration and try to forget it exists.
Anyways, name another mains-mixer where you dont have to click on a S or M. Or better yet, don't, yer just nitpicking and makin shit up now |
It has never been a good argument to say "there are no precedents" Also, in IT, the mixer was the tracker so you could argue that IT had that functionality.
Also: just because you don't see a need for a feature, that doesn't mean anyone else shouldn't either.
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| Quote: | | Also: just because you don't see a need for a feature, that doesn't mean anyone else shouldn't either. |
i never implied that 
| Quote: | | It has never been a good argument to say "there are no precedents" |
or that
i will imply you're an argumentative slut tho
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i stumbled across the zephod sequenzer on google .
what about that ? updates ? still being worked on? looks maybe a bit early, but the shematics gave me the impression that this is going to be a multi processor or maybe even a network based thing ?
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Hmmm - imagine UTrk in a standalone format - would that be the future?
I never used any trackers before buzz - they all seemed impossible and counterintuitive to use (and so did buzz the first time) - little did I know...
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utrk with modular patternview [folding unused columns, or expanding if 2 track commands isn't enough] scalable fonts/ gui will resize in proportion to font size:)... *dreams on*
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| Posted: Wednesday May 25th, 2005 12:11 Post subject: |
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| It would need proper resampling and a bunch of other stuff before anybody would dream of seriously using it. |
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| Fuzzpilz wrote: | | It would need proper resampling and a bunch of other stuff before anybody would dream of seriously using it. |
* dreams of using Utrk vsti *
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| Posted: Wednesday May 25th, 2005 13:58 Post subject: |
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| mute wrote: | | Fuzzpilz wrote: | | It would need proper resampling and a bunch of other stuff before anybody would dream of seriously using it. |
* dreams of using Utrk vsti * |
you're not dreaming seriously enough! |
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| errorist wrote: | i stumbled across the zephod sequenzer on google .
what about that ? updates ? still being worked on? looks maybe a bit early, but the shematics gave me the impression that this is going to be a multi processor or maybe even a network based thing ? |
He is busy with it, but also very busy with other things. |
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| Posted: Wednesday May 25th, 2005 19:36 Post subject: |
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ok, with it's own internal pattern sequencer
- like buzz, but more customizable.. (no fixed vertical track width)
- showing the ticklength of the pattern in time as a solid object
- pattern length 2x commands, ctrl + select to highlight items (something more flexible atleast than what we currently have )
- groove / shuffle ammount on internal sequencer.
optionally if you let the mind go wild,
- it's own machineview( that in turn would be some vst host), so that the tracker component can send data to vst )
i think not using buzz would make me feel dirty ( for a while) . no ammount of showers could cure that.
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| z_tetha wrote: | | ok, with it's own internal pattern sequencer |
eh, thats the whole idea in the first place
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midi out
your other comments are a little too "duh"  you dont have to suggest an idea for everything u know.
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