subtick based groove machine

[tonfang]

request:
it's so messy getting buzz to groove by using the bpm-method. isnt there a way to code a machine that lets buzz groove by delaying every x'th step by y subticks ? oh man, that would be cool!
cause using the bpm-method means that you cant use the tick based effects....
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[icarus]

Maby i'm understanding your question wrong, but arrent the IGroove and the Hoester Groove Box doing that?

[btd]

I think IGroove just automates the BPM trick, and Groove Box uses an audio delay with variable length. Neither of which are the same thing.

As for the original question, without completely rewriting buzz's audio engine (always an option ) the only way I can see it being possible is with a peer machine (which would mean sequencing every groove-needing gen through it, not ideal).

Another option would be a wrapper or loader for the tick-based effects to fool them into using the "average" BPM, so that the traditional method was more usable. Again, not ideal.

[majkol]

maybe u could load your generators with polacs vsti loader and automate the note delay parameter from one single peer machine.

[tonfang]

ay ! thats a good idea, majkol ! but still quite a bit of work...

hotkey should implement a propper groove funktion into buzzle....
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[Lee_dC]

[tonfang]

leedc: even better
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[nool]

pvst already has this

global commands

Dly Commands 08 xxyy

xx(00,01,02,1x,2x):

00: Humanize Note Delay
yy(0-7F): controls humanize amount

01: Quantize Note Delay
yy(0-0F): quantises to tick/y

02: Constant Note Delay
yy(0-FF): delays notes for y/16 tick(s)

1x: Shuffle
x(0-F): shuffle step x*2 tick(s)
yy(0-FF): shuffle amount

2x: Constant Note Delay II
xyy(0-FFF): delays notes for y/32 tick(s)

http://xlutop.com/buzz/

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also u can assign peerlfo,peerstate to notedelays of any machine (all machines get note delays with usr's midiwrapper) or to machines that already have note delays - almost all trackers have this ..... peer machines can be assigned to track commands as well as params ... to automate slides

i think u can also assign peer machs to the master mach which would allow for subtick vairations (i believe)

also haldreamer created a few beta machines (trackers - like mixampler) that have groove funcs

hope it helps, probably missing a few more tricks
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[usr]

heh, just tried the peer->uMw notedelay, and it actually works!

did not believe that until i tried



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[icarus]

Yeah I see you are totally right btd. Havent used those two machines myself. Anyway nice thing to discover that there so many options to integrate notedelays.

[nool]

we are not confined to ticks !!!
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[tonfang]

nool: you summed it up

but: it's a lot of work, cause you have to add the peer connections to every machine. ok.. it's not that much, but it'd be a lot easy having just one machine that does the groove. maybe notedelay could be implemented as a global parameter (affecting every instance of the loader) in polac's loader.

well... looks like it'll always be messy....
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[Ronny Pries]

tonfang, that is already implemented as global effect in the vst adapters. check nools text or the help file

[tonfang]

ay ! stupid me ..... thanks!
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