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D Tox
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PostPosted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 17:47    Post subject: GOD SAVE THE BUZZ Reply with quote

Hi, since I installed the latest version of buzz everything seems 2 get fucked up due to that goddamn overloader Shocked ...I try to change by using fruitly but I'll never reach the level I have in buzz now since I use it since about 6 years now & I'm totally with it...any chance u ppls got the old version of it?! Surprised
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elekt
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PostPosted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 18:24    Post subject: Re: GOD SAVE THE BUZZ Reply with quote

D Tox wrote:
Hi, since I installed the latest version of buzz everything seems 2 get fucked up due to that goddamn overloader Shocked ...I try to change by using fruitly but I'll never reach the level I have in buzz now since I use it since about 6 years now & I'm totally with it...any chance u ppls got the old version of it?! Surprised


You're way off on a couple things, telling by the way you're asking. I'd check nool's website and the buzz wiki on how to fix the problems.
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PostPosted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 18:39    Post subject: Re: GOD SAVE THE BUZZ Reply with quote

elekt wrote:
D Tox wrote:
Hi, since I installed the latest version of buzz everything seems 2 get fucked up due to that goddamn overloader Shocked ...I try to change by using fruitly but I'll never reach the level I have in buzz now since I use it since about 6 years now & I'm totally with it...any chance u ppls got the old version of it?! Surprised


You're way off on a couple things, telling by the way you're asking. I'd check nool's website and the buzz wiki on how to fix the problems.
can't u just unswer like "yes I got the old install file" or "no I haven't got it"? Confused
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PostPosted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 20:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need the old installer. No you don't. Just go into your buzz folder, hit ctrl+f, search for files named overloader, and delete them all. Bye-bye overloader.

If you must have an ol-less installer, here's a cool trick: use the search function on this forum, and enter the word "installer". Not the old installer, but should have the same effect.

Just curious: how do you know it's overloader that's causing the problem? Or is it just a wild guess? Because unless you actually have a reason for blaming overloader, I wouldn't mind betting you're wrong.

(oh, word of advice: throwing phrases around like "fucked up due to that goddamn overloader" is not the way to make friends around here)
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D Tox
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PostPosted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 21:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh u mean u r all puritains...? LOL Razz

& yes I have a good reason: since the l8est version of buzz includes the overloader, doesn't work anymore on my pc Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 22:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

*rolls eyes*

rtfw
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PostPosted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 22:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

D Tox wrote:
& yes I have a good reason: since the l8est version of buzz includes the overloader, doesn't work anymore on my pc Crying or Very sad


Bzzzzt. Wrong answer. The latest version includes much more new stuff than just overloader. In fact overloader is probably the most stable part of the equation.

Actually, most buzz problems seem to be caused by a combination of things. And overloader might well be one of the components of that. But since it's so useful, it's worth finding the other components and eradicating those instead.

Try these:

http://buzzwiki.wipe-records.org/index.php/Crashes
http://www.noolmusic.com/fat/Crashes_Bugs.shtml

If they don't work, try searching the board at buzzmachines.com, or try using mute's installer. If it still won't work, get back to us.
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PostPosted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 22:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

D Tox wrote:
oh u mean u r all puritains...? LOL Razz


no + personally i think anyone that _doesnt_ use overloader (or blames it for instability) is in the dark and/or just doesnt know what they are talking about. but thats another discussion for another time and i've pretty much given up on these kinda rants..it makes my life simpler just to not care Smile

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can't u just unswer like "yes I got the old install file" or "no I haven't got it"?


no, because you said some assinine things. for example: "since I use it since about 6 years now " (which is bs), and "that goddamn overloader " (bsx2).

and besides ... there is no 'original installer'. it's just a bunch of files you place in the right spot.

Now, if you instead asked "help my buzz broke, i dunno what to do!" we would've helped you out quickly. i bet i could fix it in .001 seconds. because im cooler than nearly everyone. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 23:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, in fact mute is cooler than 98.734 % of everyone.

and he came up with an interesting question: is the "being in the dark" aspect of not using overloader more significant than the "not knowing what they are talking about"?

congratiulations to D Tox for being the first person to make no friends with the buzz scene despite publicly stating that floops sucks.
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PostPosted: Sunday March 6th, 2005 0:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL LOL

at least btdsys gave him a real answer Cool
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PostPosted: Sunday March 6th, 2005 10:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

mute you seem to have had a jump in self-confidence recently Cool
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PostPosted: Sunday March 6th, 2005 10:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a shame that people say that you have to be a rocket scientist to install buzz.

Hasnt anyone made an installer that, doesnt include any of the things that are known to cause problems.
Like a version for XP that doesnt install the theme folder.
Or maybe the installer should ask if you want to install:
Themes can make buzz crash on startup do you wish to install it
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PostPosted: Sunday March 6th, 2005 10:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

i noticed a thing installin overloader that can be a problem,
1 by default if u dont change path, buzz will install itself in:
c:\programs\jeskola buzz\
2 overloader will install itself by default in:
c:\programs\buzz\
maybe u should check if u have instaled both buzz and overloader in the same path(whiich is the right way to do)

maybe not ur problem, but when i noticed it first time, uninstalled , and then iinstalled properly, everything ran well.
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PostPosted: Sunday March 6th, 2005 11:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

and ehrrm.. guys , sorry if i been too kind Razz
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PostPosted: Sunday March 6th, 2005 19:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xenobioz wrote:
Its a shame that people say that you have to be a rocket scientist to install buzz.


you *don't* have to be a rocket scientist tho - thats the problem and what i find so frustrating! i don't blame new users, because this unstable enviroment is created by the huge install packs. machines+core install in 1 = horrible idea. i've been saying that for ages. im just really impatient nowadays.

when buzzxp disappeared, i was actually disappointed only for the fact that the buzz floppy installer was gone from public view.

but erm, i'll work on my installer again today and post some results here. i figure ive had enough sarcastic venting in these threads to last me for the next couple of months or so Wink
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PostPosted: Monday March 7th, 2005 1:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see how installing machines at the same time as the buzz program itself can make any difference considering you just put machines in the relevent folders and stuff happens.

You're gonna put them in there anyway, and it's not like they change the way buzz runs.

I actually like the massive pack. It gives you a lot to play with without you having to know what you want.[/i]
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PostPosted: Monday March 7th, 2005 7:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mirfus wrote:
I don't see how installing machines at the same time as the buzz program itself can make any difference considering you just put machines in the relevent folders and stuff happens.


it's because any instability of buzz and it's flakiness on different OS's and different computers is almost entirely caused by machines.

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I actually like the massive pack. It gives you a lot to play with without you having to know what you want.[/i]


massive packs are fine, but they would be better served as add-on packages or zips apart from the install. countless issues and confusion would be avoided if the 2 were seperate and new users would have a better idea of what is what when it comes to any problems rather than blindly blaming this or that, giving up, or having to resort to ridiculous methods of troubleshooting like going 1 by 1 through the gear directories.

the reasons are endless really., no convenient small version, no quality control or auditing, etc. it's just "here's everything, good the f*ck luck no0bs".

i would think these reasons and the problems that stem from them to be obvious.
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PostPosted: Monday March 7th, 2005 11:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

mute wrote:
it's because any instability of buzz and it's flakiness on different OS's and different computers is almost entirely caused by machines.


Well, people already know my opinion on that theory. But I think if it is machines that cause these crashes, they're generally ones which can safely be omitted (who uses 11-FM?) without having to omit everything.

mute wrote:
massive packs are fine, but they would be better served as add-on packages or zips apart from the install. countless issues and confusion would be avoided if the 2 were seperate and new users would have a better idea of what is what when it comes to any problems rather than blindly blaming this or that, giving up, or having to resort to ridiculous methods of troubleshooting like going 1 by 1 through the gear directories.


Agreed. I think a big problem is that we all know buzz and its little quirks, and we forget not everyone does.

Here's an idea for someone ambitious. I've been using MiKTeX (distribution of the LaTeX typesetting system) lately. This has a cool package management system where you install it and it installs all the commonly used things. But then if you try to use something which isn't installed, it silently goes off to an FTP mirror, retrieves it and installs it. All without user intervention. Now wouldn't it be awesome if there was a Buzz distro which included all the commonly used mahcines, but then if you tried to click an absent machine in the index or tried to load a song with it, it would head over to bm.com and silently dl & install the machine? (I guess this would have to be done with a bunch of dummy machine dlls, and the dummy dlls would grab the real dlls and swap things round, or something)

Now if you could combine this with something that detects naughty machines and uninstalls them... n00b-proof Buzz! Dance Dance Dance
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