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HakyokuSeiken
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Hey...was wondering if any skins replace that ugly perameter window with the native windows sliding bars with something more contemporary, like knobs? For some reason, I can't get used to the sliding bars, no matter how much I use them...
As well, I did searches for skins because I see screenshots of them here and there, but I can't find any...are they only for the machine view, or do they, as i asked before, replace the actual peramater window?
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| Posted: Thursday November 4th, 2004 15:27 Post subject: |
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There is currently no catch-all solution that will change the look of all the parameter windows, but you can still get a different view if you load machines into PVST(i).
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| Posted: Thursday November 4th, 2004 16:11 Post subject: |
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buzz machines don't like pvsti...  |
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The sliders are killer! Knobs are for lamers.  |
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| Posted: Friday November 5th, 2004 13:44 Post subject: |
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hks: they do
get a current version of pvst and uncheck the "don't load buzzmachines" option.
but it still won't give you knobs 
ps: virtual knobs are really a very very bad idea, with the exception of special high-res vertical mini-knobs for finetuning existing sliders.
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| usr wrote: | hks: they do
get a current version of pvst and uncheck the "don't load buzzmachines" option.
but it still won't give you knobs
ps: virtual knobs are really a very very bad idea, with the exception of special high-res vertical mini-knobs for finetuning existing sliders. |
Finally, developers who share my hate for knobs in guis
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| Posted: Friday November 5th, 2004 21:16 Post subject: |
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it would be kinda cool if pvst exposed the resources as bpms or something for the buzz param gui.. it'd be sharp shit to be able to make our own guis for synths.
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| Posted: Friday November 5th, 2004 23:49 Post subject: |
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| why do you guyes dislike knobs? is it just a personal preference, or is it a usability issue? |
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z_tetha
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| Posted: Saturday November 6th, 2004 0:45 Post subject: |
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with a slider you can instantly see what the parameter value is.
it's reminiscent of impulsetracker panning, vibrato parameters when in instrument view. that's maybe why i like it , and prefer it , over dials.
dials imo can be a bit fidgity. |
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wayfu may disagree, but I AM NOT DEVELOPERS
developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers
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together with ld0d you are 
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HakyokuSeiken
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I used to be an impulse tracker devotee. However, this isn't DOS and it isn't impulse tracker and I've grown accustomed to knobs. It is plainly visible to see your settings at a glance due to pointers on the knobs. Also, with knobs, it takes up less room on the GUI and I don't have a window bigger than my screen that I have to scroll on to get to some perameters. And many knobs are accompanied by text readout of it's current value, just like the sliders are now.
At any rate, I've moved on to Psycle. I used buzz back in the day when it first started up ('99...around there somewhere) then didn't make music for a while on the pc. When I came back, I used Orion, but I've sinced dumped *questionable* products from my system in favor of software I'm legally entitled to use and buzz just doesn't sound as good to me as it did back then. Sounds too...harsh...can't seem to get any smooth sounds out of it. Plus, it's no longer developed and, frankly, is too hacked up now to be anything but a headache to me. I only wish psycle was as fast, though...damn...hell, I'd pay for Aero Studio if it was as fast as buzz (tends to hang with few machines playing and the GUI is beeing accessed while song is playing)...piano roll AND tracker? OMG...too sweet...
At any rate, thanks for the info. Sorry if I sound rude in the first paragraph. I don't mean to. It's too bad about this program though...with further development, would probably be blowing everything else on the market (commercial or otherwise) into smithereens right now, like it did when it was first introduced. |
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| Posted: Sunday November 7th, 2004 6:36 Post subject: |
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| HakyokuSeiken wrote: | | blah |
getting 'quality' sound has nothing to do with the program you use, it has to do with your own skills
also some things u mention are possible in buzz
but anyway
| HakyokuSeiken wrote: | | blah |
good luck "moving-on" to psycle
heh
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| Posted: Sunday November 7th, 2004 13:27 Post subject: |
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| HakyokuSeiken wrote: | | buzz just doesn't sound as good to me as it did back then. Sounds too...harsh...can't seem to get any smooth sounds out of it. |
Strange...I thought that it's the other way around. What newer pieces of gear have you actually tried? |
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| Posted: Sunday November 7th, 2004 16:58 Post subject: |
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pet peeve alert
ppl talking authoratively when they obviously have no clue.
| Quote: | | At any rate, I've moved on to Psycle. I used buzz back in the day when it first started up ('99...around there somewhere) |
98. but just because you opened an app once has no significance. its obvious you dont have any knowledge on the program.
| Quote: | | and buzz just doesn't sound as good to me as it did back then. Sounds too...harsh...can't seem to get any smooth sounds out of it. |
aka, you have no idea what you are doing, its really simple...you're bleeding your noob blood all over my new carpet. stop being so sloppy.
i think you need a catch all solution.. a "HakyokuSeiken Proof" application (if you will) with knobs and pretty buttons and...
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Plus, it's no longer developed
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it isn't? thats news to me.. i guess this could be a matter of perspective though. however, i believe my perspective to be all knowing and all powerful.
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and, frankly, is too hacked up now to be anything but a headache to me.
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oh look! another pet peeve alert
..and its "hacked up" how? and how's it causing a headache besides you not understanding the very basics? tip: www.buzzmachines.com -> reviews.
| Quote: | | i've sinced dumped *questionable* products from my system in favor of software I'm legally entitled to use |
ah.. was wondering why you weren't using fruityloops..
| Quote: | | piano roll AND tracker? OMG...too sweet... |
another example of you not knowing the capabilities of buzz.
otherwise.. i wish u the best. i guess. if you want a tracker, you should probably go check out something more recent and updated with more extensive features than psycle tho... like renoise. it's pretty apparent you dont understand the modular approach to creating your "smooth sounds" so i advise against it.
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wayfinder
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don't make me bury this thread in the The Graveyard... 
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Noob? WTF. I've been tracking since '98. While I'm not as 1337 or whatever the hell people call themselves now as those who were tracking way back when people were using the abucus (  ), that doesn't make me any less of a discerning user. I mean not to offend those who use the program. However, I do mean to say 'screw you' to those hold your noses up at the fact that someone doesn't agree with your opinion. I've used Buzz (quite extensively but I guess since I didn't do any 'scene' releases, I might as well have never used it at all to you guys ). I've used Aero. I've used Psycle. I've used Reason. I've used Orion. I've used Impulse Tracker. I've used Fast Tracker. I've used Renoise. I've used Mad Tracker. I've used Mod Plug. Believe me, I know what I like about a program, what sounds good in my ears, and what's easiest for me to use better that YOU know what I like about a program, what sounds good in my ears and what's easiest for me to use.
It's funny. I asked for other people's opinion on whether I should use buzz or psycle on the PSYCLE forums, and they simply said, "Use what you have the most fun with." If you like Buzz and have fun using it and it allows you the freedom and tools you wish to have, then use it. I don't find it as good as I did when I first used it. That's all I said. It *IS* old. I know what it's cable of. I've spent more than the 20 minutes you assume I have with the prog. I know effects and synth programming well enough to know how to get certain sounds out based on the synthesis and processing methods of the plugins used.
And why should my affection for knobs be a sign of intelligence? That's like saying "You eat pizza instead of spaghetti? You don't know jack about italian food is, you twerp!"
A Hakyoku Proof program would be one with a forum that is mute-less and general 1337-less, actually.
Found it elsewhere.
Latez.
*fast foward to 20 years from now*
mute: "You noob. I was around when buzz first started 25 years ago. I use win98 on a REAL pentinum II! You're such a poser with your windows emulator on your 200ghz processor. Get a life."
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| Posted: Monday November 8th, 2004 11:36 Post subject: |
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..while your position is more like "I eat pizza instead of spaghetti cause there's TOMATO on my pizza and there's no tomato on my spaghetti!"
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| Posted: Monday November 8th, 2004 11:43 Post subject: |
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| HakyokuSeiken wrote: | | Noob? WTF. I've been tracking since '98. |
I've been tracking since 1997  
And yes, it's true that you should stick to the program which matches the vastness of your imagination and gives you the most pleasure. I'll keep sticking to Buzz since there's practically nothing it could not do.
And yes, I do use VST plugins and samples as well as native Buzz machines (duh...), I have a 1.5GHz machine, I run Win2k, I've tried Reason and hated it fiercely |
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Paul Eye
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| Posted: Monday November 8th, 2004 14:27 Post subject: |
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...and besides:
| HakyokuSeiken wrote: | | too hacked up now to be anything but a headache to me. |
So...how would making a hack to replace the sliders with knobs make Buzz less hacked up and give you less of a headache? I do see your point though...but there's really no logic in what you said...
...unless you're Douglas Adams...but that's impossible since he's dead  |
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| wayfinder wrote: | | don't make me bury this thread in the The Graveyard... |
bury it
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| Posted: Monday November 8th, 2004 19:58 Post subject: |
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im disappointed in your reply too,. man, and as you pointed out i am soooooooooo much better than you.
| Quote: | | mute-less and general 1337-less |
you'll have a hard time finding such an application
seriously tho, i think yer gettin a lil too moody and blowin shit outta perportion. i can get xanak really cheap from canada if you wanna buy some
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| Paul Eye wrote: | | HakyokuSeiken wrote: | | Noob? WTF. I've been tracking since '98. |
I've been tracking since 1997 |
Bollocks to both of you. I've been tracking since 1992.
What were we talking about again?
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| Posted: Monday November 8th, 2004 23:39 Post subject: |
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Damn, my tracking-penis-size is 1992 also, I guess we'll have to settle for a tie
All hail the funky tracker proggie on the Acorn Archemedies though! Nevermind Octamed, I spent my time ripping the mods from the Amiga game ports and using the samples from them to make, er, masterpieces. Percussion from Lemmings, synths samples from Chuck Rock, basslines from Xenon 2, oh the endless fun that was had.
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| navidson wrote: | Damn, my tracking-penis-size is 1992 also, I guess we'll have to settle for a tie
All hail the funky tracker proggie on the Acorn Archemedies though! Nevermind Octamed, I spent my time ripping the mods from the Amiga game ports and using the samples from them to make, er, masterpieces. Percussion from Lemmings, synths samples from Chuck Rock, basslines from Xenon 2, oh the endless fun that was had.
Consider this thread hijacked further > |
The music in Lemmings rocked hard. |
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| Posted: Tuesday November 9th, 2004 6:33 Post subject: |
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| navidson wrote: | | All hail the funky tracker proggie on the Acorn Archemedies though! Nevermind Octamed, I spent my time ripping the mods from the Amiga game ports and using the samples from them to make, er, masterpieces. Percussion from Lemmings, synths samples from Chuck Rock, basslines from Xenon 2, oh the endless fun that was had. |
Everyone and their dog ended up ripping and using Lemmings samples, didn't they? I know i did.
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| Quote: | | man, and as you pointed out i am soooooooooo much better than you. |
I did? I was under the impression I said the opposite. |
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hahaha, see? i meant no offense my sarcasm is just so thick sometimes even i get offended 
your good ppls  we're all good ppls
plur
and since everyone's havin fun wagging things around.. i first used st2, and a lil while afterwards st3 came out (although i was unaware and used 2 for ages till i made the switch). so i first switched to trackers somewhere around then.. whenever that was. i cant remember anymore.
but this means little or at least next to nothing
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| Posted: Friday November 26th, 2004 13:20 Post subject: |
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| HakyokuSeiken wrote: | | I've used Buzz (quite extensively but I guess since I didn't do any 'scene' releases, I might as well have never used it at all to you guys ). I've used Aero. I've used Psycle. I've used Reason. I've used Orion. I've used Impulse Tracker. I've used Fast Tracker. I've used Renoise. I've used Mad Tracker. I've used Mod Plug. |
i have used buzz...
uhm... no... sorry... i -AM- using buzz... ¬_¬
i also used tons and tons of other stuff, but gave up due to the lack of posibilities... and it is the right application for the purpose i want...
and that about you "might as well have never used it at all to you guys"... uhm... its not like i ever heard anything of you before, but that sincerely does not matter... if you have used it extensively, you should -know- buzz "has not so good sound" because you have to shape it yourself... its not like you throw in a gen, some effects, set presets and you have that sparkling sound everybody else does...
buzz is one of those applications that not only permits you to show your skills, but it also -requires- that skill... but i guess others already told you... if you need or want help on how to "make it sound better" you may -think- while reading tutorials and help files and reviews... go www.buzzmachines.com and there you have all the nessecary links and reviews you will ever need. check the buzzwiki and the buzzmusic pages on wipe too... as you said yourself, you have been "absent" from buzz for quite a while, and during that time, buzz has evolved... not the core, thats still the same, but the additional stuff that was added by the time have made buzz one of the strongest audio applications ever so far
note: i am not talking about "a popular or preferenced application", since most "professionals" are lazy asses that think only using "high profile" and expensive stuff is the only standard...
yeah. they suck... i hate them... i hate them all... because i hate ignorance... high level bastards and idiots... i would prefer you not being part of that community of idiots, but that is up to you... i can forgive... sometimes... and this time... show your learning potential... stop being a lazy ass... if you dont know something, or think your tracks sound flat or dull or boring, you might want to ask people how they make it sound better, instead of saying "it sounds less better than before"... that alone is a stupid statement...
i am not trying to put you down, i am only trying to kick your ass so that you look up and believe in yourself...
maybe i am a bad example for showing buzz's potential, since i almost never use samples or vst... other people can use buzz more up to its possibilities, since there are some out there, they really use -all- available possibilities in buzz, with samples and vst and all... you should get in contact with some of that kind of people maybe, they could be of great help...
on the other hand of all, buzz is an application you either love or hate, and you should know this... lots and lots of people hate it, because they simply do not understand it... and i hate them... and everyone knows already, its learning curve is very very steep...
yeah... me being a bit of an ass today... friday evening... lots of inquiring idiots... i didnt have lunch yet and the workload is finally getting acceptable now...
bah... whatever...
have fun
greetings
ps: a little joke for relax: about what "sounds good in my ears"--->> cotton sticks... ever tried? =D
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and yeah... forget what i just said... ^_^'
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