MIDI/audio sync with Zephod MidiTracker & uMw?

[houseoftrash]

Hi,

I like the convenience of using a uMw-wrapped zephod's miditracker as a sequencer for live recorded parts. I know I could use p.doom hack and just use cubase or whatever, but I don't want to. Anybody know a good way to get around the audio vs. midi latency? It would be cool if uMw had a global note-delay offset for input notes and midiTracker had a corresponding global output delay, that could both be adjusted according to latency like msync, but that's probably not going to happen... is there a better way?

[usr]

i don't think uMw will see any major feature updates, as i'm already having trouble focusing on bugfixes in that monster.

but anyway, i don't really understand what exactly your problem is. for one part because i have nearly 0 experience with midi-output from buzz (had a juno hooked up once, and used the zeph/boo junocontroller on it, but it's crackling outputs did not impress me that much), and beyond that i'm afraid that i might be rather deaf to timing problems anyway.

Is it jitter that is giving you a hard time? Then the zeph synced asio pack is probably doing the best you could get in buzz. If it's not jitter you have to keep in mind that buzzmachines can't see the future development of their patterns, even if all the data is already "written down". Which part is off, and in what direction?
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[houseoftrash]

pretty simple really, if I type in notes in a midi-tracker everything played on the hardware synth is slightly before the beat. Actually uMw does a pretty good job of compensating with note delays so that anything unquantized comes out pretty much as I played it which is never that well timed anyway - but if I want to quantize it or remove the note delays it's all early again.

Hmm, looking at the buzzmachines forum it looks like zephod had some things at one time that were designed to deal with this - that was 2002 - I can't find zephod's midi synced driver pack anywhere, it's not on buzzmachines.com although it is mentioned on old forum posts and on a tutorial linked from there. Any idea where I could find this?

[usr]

it used to be on buzzformat.com, until that gave place to facewhore.com. zeph himself does not enjoy downloadability of his stuff a lot anymore, because he got fed up with getting mostly feedback from whiners who wanted more features and too few "thak you" messages, and with the floops/buzzlib situation where oskari is mainly charging money for ppl to use code made by zeph and other machine devs.

regarding your actual problem: constant delay (for notes + quantization points) used to be one of the features next on the list, but for one reason i did not want to spam all those machines with parameters rarely used, and the other reason is that i did not want to make another one-hundret-x "uMw2" machines, and that code that would allow porting of songs with old machine versions to new versions with added parameters never really got finished
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[houseoftrash]

ok well thank you your stuff is pretty useful just the way it is. and it does sound like more trouble than it's worth to do what you were describing if that's what is necessary. as far as jitter etc. the fact that I have no idea what you're talking about means it probably isn't an issue for me personally - I just want audio and MIDI to happen at a little closer to the same time, perceptually, than seems to be possible with my computer & soundcard. Maybe I can find some sort of midi-delay utility... this gives me the idea that there could be a Buzz machine that acts as a MIDI passthrough and all it does is try to detect Buzz's audio latency and delays all MIDI passing thru it by the same amount. also probably not worth the trouble - thanks for your help though, and anyone reading this who's feeling altruistic and has a copy of Zephod's midi synced asio drivers can email me at pn275atyahoodotcom or AIM "houseoftrash" - P.