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Cymbalom
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Buzz being worked on again? Wonderful news!
A new Buzz and soon, an updated Buze? Way cool...  |
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JoaCHIP
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| Posted: Monday June 2nd, 2008 22:17 Post subject: Needs some TLC... |
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| oskari wrote: | | JoaCHIP, the file dialog problem is probably MFC 9.0/Win2k related. I get the standard dialog in Vista 64. |
Well I don't. Can this be fixed somehow? Unscalable small Windows 95-style file requesters are quite annoying.
Also, the current version is slightly less crashy, but it still crashes a lot - even without any pvst's involved. I also get bizarre noise in some cases.
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magmavander
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| Posted: Monday June 2nd, 2008 22:25 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Unscalable small Windows 95-style file requesters are quite annoying |
I have the same problem under vista.
I started it without problem
I just loaded one song, no vst, and I had a noise burst.
Does I need to turn compatibility mode on for your exe ?
Or is it made to run in normal mode in vista ?
Thanks for the work anyway. So gooood 
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oskari
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| Posted: Monday June 2nd, 2008 22:46 Post subject: |
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I'm not going to be supporting Windows 2000 anyway. Future releases may require XP+.
Old dialog in Vista? I'm using VS 2008 SP1Beta1, so maybe you don't have the latest MFC DLLs.
New build has improved MDK support. |
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JoaCHIP
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| Posted: Monday June 2nd, 2008 22:58 Post subject: Are we all slaves of Microsoft? |
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Well I'm not changing my OS because of Buzz. So that's bad news. Oh well, I'll just stick to 1998 Buzz.exe or Ableton then.
On a sidenote: It's a bit sad if upgrading Developer Studio also means more poor support of older Windows versions. This could seem like a hidden attempt from Microsoft to force more users into "upgrading" their Windows versions, in order for Microsoft to make more money. My machine simply isn't fast enough to run Vista. I'm old an impatient, and even XP annoys me with it's sluggishness and excessive features that I don't even need.
Developers should be concervative about upgrading their own systems, so that the resulting code is more backwards compatible. Forward compatibility is much easier to achieve.
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vinnie pine
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| Posted: Monday June 2nd, 2008 23:34 Post subject: |
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| a new version of buzz, great news. thanks oskari. |
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Dego
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 1:05 Post subject: |
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Could it be better news??
(as we see Buzz develop again!)
I'm using the new builds, pvst/i works, wave in/out works, and we already have improvements... ready to rok.
This is so excitng.
Thanks Oskari |
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prismatic7
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 1:59 Post subject: |
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this is the greatest news i've seen in the last... er... seven years or so! oskari, you're still the greatest!
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Domtron
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 2:37 Post subject: |
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info is working.. 
btdsys mooter is not working.
vst is working.
don't know where i have to put the ms manifest files.
i throw it in the buzz dir. the other dll's in system 32. |
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Frank
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 2:39 Post subject: thank you |
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Just wanted to take this opportunity to say (a very long overdue) thanks.
Nice work |
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Kodoichi
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 6:29 Post subject: |
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Are all the clones redundant now?
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ekral
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 6:46 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Are all the clones redundant now? |
Ahoy,
I do not think so, libzzub is opensource library that can use any developer. Aldrin can be a great linux application and personally I like buzé too.
It still looks like more like in linux world: You have freedom to choice 
Have a nice day
ekral
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but sometimes I am wrong and never say never (viz how buzz rise from the dead)
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wayfinder
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 6:51 Post subject: |
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That's some unexpected good news! I have but one wish for the continued development, oskari:
Please fix the BPM so that what we see is what we get.
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mute
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 7:48 Post subject: |
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| Kodoichi wrote: | | Are all the clones redundant now? |
of course not. 
please watch this kind of talk out of respect to the other developers (think before you post ffs). even remotely discouraging comments makes me want to kill people. besides, ive no doubt that buze's code has helped oskari figure out a thing or two. |
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intoxicat
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 8:17 Post subject: |
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| wayfinder wrote: |
Please fix the BPM so that what we see is what we get. |
what is this? is the bpm not accurate? I was suspecting somehting like that the other day when i imported a buzzfile into reaper....
can you elaborate way?
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oskari
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 8:24 Post subject: |
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| wayfinder wrote: |
Please fix the BPM so that what we see is what we get. |
If you mean the BPM control not changing the tempo until you click somewhere else, then I just fixed it.
If you mean the inaccurate BPM, changing it could cause compatibility problems. Some machines may assume that SamplesPerTick is constant inside the a beat. Maybe I could make it optional. |
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Kodoichi
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 11:53 Post subject: |
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| mute wrote: | | (think before you post ffs). even remotely discouraging comments makes me want to kill people. |
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etruscan
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 13:19 Post subject: |
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| mute wrote: | | Kodoichi wrote: | | Are all the clones redundant now? |
of course not.
please watch this kind of talk out of respect to the other developers (think before you post ffs). even remotely discouraging comments makes me want to kill people. besides, ive no doubt that buze's code has helped oskari figure out a thing or two. |
You both have a point. This is of course fantastic and unexpected news, and I have the greatest of respect and gratitude for all developers involved. It is fantastic that there's such sustained interest and development surrounding the Buzz concept after all this time!
But I'll be interested to see what happens in the long-term. Aren't Buzz and (e.g.) Buze rather similar by definition? (Would Buze have happened if Buzz was resurrected earlier?) It'll be interesting to see how they evolve side-by-side, since they both fit a particular niche. I hope that they share it harmoniously. Or perhaps they will diverge into different beasts, or merge into some strange new one! |
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icarus
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 13:25 Post subject: |
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| etruscan wrote: | | (Would Buze have happened if Buzz was resurrected earlier?) |
I am wondering about the opposite, without wanting to sound negative! Would the resurrection of Buzz have happened without Buze? |
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etruscan
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 13:26 Post subject: |
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| icarus wrote: | | etruscan wrote: | | (Would Buze have happened if Buzz was resurrected earlier?) |
I am wondering about the opposite, without wanting to sound negative! Would the resurrection of Buzz have happened without Buze? |
Symbiosis? |
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Domtron
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 13:45 Post subject: |
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mute is right in point of BIG respects to the devs.
nobody need to be harsh,though 
i guess the developers have less problem with this situation than the forum.
it's pioneer time and it will NEVER stop cause things NEED to be up to date... 
new exe is working much better than the previous.
SCIENCE! |
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Domtron
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 14:48 Post subject: |
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vst index txt isn't working.
computer hang after exit.
vsti/vsti receive no clock or time information? |
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mute
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 17:14 Post subject: |
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| Domtron wrote: |
i guess the developers have less problem with this situation than the forum.
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exactly! just stop talkin about it and let everybody do their thing.
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intoxicat
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 18:50 Post subject: |
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| oskari wrote: | | wayfinder wrote: |
Please fix the BPM so that what we see is what we get. |
If you mean the BPM control not changing the tempo until you click somewhere else, then I just fixed it.
If you mean the inaccurate BPM, changing it could cause compatibility problems. Some machines may assume that SamplesPerTick is constant inside the a beat. Maybe I could make it optional. |
ah ok I think I understand. Yes accurate BMP as an option woudl be really nice especially when you want to export your tracks and work on them in other systems....
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Dego
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 19:02 Post subject: |
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| I noticed that currently polac vsti midi notes don't get written on patterns under F7 mode (recording). |
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mute
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 19:28 Post subject: |
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| Dego wrote: | | I noticed that currently polac vsti midi notes don't get written on patterns under F7 mode (recording). |
recording/automation was a feature that was added just slightly before 1.2b, which is what he's working towards right now. does any kind of recording work at all? i didnt think it did yet.. |
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wayfinder
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 19:33 Post subject: |
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| oskari wrote: | | wayfinder wrote: |
Please fix the BPM so that what we see is what we get. |
If you mean the BPM control not changing the tempo until you click somewhere else, then I just fixed it.
If you mean the inaccurate BPM, changing it could cause compatibility problems. Some machines may assume that SamplesPerTick is constant inside the a beat. Maybe I could make it optional. |
Although the former is a nice goodie, it was indeed the latter that I meant. Aldrin does it, as far as I know, and I'm not sure if any machines have stopped working as a result. But if it is indeed something that would break bmxs, an option would be great.
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Dego
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 21:02 Post subject: |
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| mute wrote: | | Dego wrote: | | I noticed that currently polac vsti midi notes don't get written on patterns under F7 mode (recording). |
recording/automation was a feature that was added just slightly before 1.2b, which is what he's working towards right now. does any kind of recording work at all? i didnt think it did yet.. |
That's great. Recording midi from Infector works, by the way. |
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usr
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 21:46 Post subject: |
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somehow the new date in the about dialog feels totally wrong 
hope i will get used to it before i publicy cry for "option: compatibility mode, set about box date to Oct 5 2000 for compatibility with grumpy old usrs"
(remember the old bm.com whishlist? this one would barely be rated as average in terms of madness in that environment)
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mcbpete
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 22:17 Post subject: |
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| Man, this is one of the most exciting things to have happened to me all year. Is that sad ? |
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oskari
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| Posted: Tuesday June 3rd, 2008 22:46 Post subject: |
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| Domtron wrote: | vst index txt isn't working.
computer hang after exit.
vsti/vsti receive no clock or time information? |
Do you have the latest version of PVST and use it in the buzz clone compatibility mode? |
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Domtron
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| Posted: Wednesday June 4th, 2008 0:25 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Do you have the latest version of PVST and use it in the buzz clone compatibility mode? |
i used the previous polac version.
i made a upgrade to the latest polac loader some minutes ago.
i grabbed the latest buzz exe.
clone compatibility mode is now on.
the hang is gone (as far as i can say now).
vst index txt still isn't working.
vsti/vsti receive still no clock or time information.
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shango
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| Posted: Wednesday June 4th, 2008 0:27 Post subject: |
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late as usual, but: soooooooo great news
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oskari
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| Posted: Wednesday June 4th, 2008 0:59 Post subject: |
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| Domtron wrote: | | Quote: | | Do you have the latest version of PVST and use it in the buzz clone compatibility mode? |
i used the previous polac version.
i made a upgrade to the latest polac loader some minutes ago.
i grabbed the latest buzz exe.
clone compatibility mode is now on.
the hang is gone (as far as i can say now).
vst index txt still isn't working.
vsti/vsti receive still no clock or time information. |
What do you mean by vst index? The vst machines under pvst in the right click popup (works here) or something else? |
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Domtron
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| Posted: Wednesday June 4th, 2008 1:27 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What do you mean by vst index? The vst machines under pvst in the right click popup (works here) or something else? |
SURE index txt is working but i can see the vst/vsti's only as along list.
right now, one (current) buzz direction is on a usb stick.
i had this issue when i'm running buzz on the harddrive, from my stick,or on another computer.it was/is the same until i remove the index txt put it back and it shows normal again.
hmm,my current session only open in info view. |
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Domtron
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| Posted: Wednesday June 4th, 2008 1:59 Post subject: |
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while we're on it.a small crazy fr.
for example,you have two buzz sessions parallel open.
what about copying pattern values like notes from one session into another?  |
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kibibu
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| Posted: Wednesday June 4th, 2008 2:06 Post subject: |
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| Domtron wrote: | | what about copying pattern values like notes from one session into another? |
Can the new buzz also pls fire charged particles directly into my rectum to enhance bass and/or warmth (perhaps controlled with a parameter)?
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Domtron
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| Posted: Wednesday June 4th, 2008 2:19 Post subject: |
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| kibibu wrote: | | Domtron wrote: | | what about copying pattern values like notes from one session into another? |
Can the new buzz also pls fire charged particles directly into my rectum to enhance bass and/or warmth (perhaps controlled with a parameter)? |
yeah maybe simple as txt. |
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Domtron
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| Posted: Wednesday June 4th, 2008 2:35 Post subject: |
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importing a song is great.
deleting machines is buzz fu,pure and a pain.
maybe this can be improved?
fast access to other patterns,that's the idea. |
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greenfinger
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| Posted: Wednesday June 4th, 2008 10:41 Post subject: |
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congratulations and thanks to Oskari.
the two important buzz improvements are for me;
a) Ctrl/v note data from one pattern to another.this already works for most machines, so I guess the best way to make this happen , is to build in a hack for the few machines that don't support it? or, fix the machines ( example, savages squeeler)? a hack-free exe is the obvious way to go.
b) remove the need for screem waver, Ctrl/v pattern data from one machine to another.perhaps incorporate screem waver hack into the new exe.
don't know about a live whale in my bath tub, but i once had a live frog in mine. |
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