Favorite Buzz Tracker

[nool]

Ok just curious about this
What is your weapon of choice as far as buzz samplers for DRUMS go (NOT instrument samples)?

NOT your favorite, or the one with the most potential

The one you find yourself using in the bmxs you made in the last month or so on a daily basis

ZZuB
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[Hamst3r]

Matilde! :D
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[usr]

what if you -BLASPHEMY-BLASPHEMY-BLASPHEMY- DON'T USE A TRACKER DAILY???BLASPHEMY!BLASPHEMY!!!
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[nool]

[usr]

i have recently stopped to use anything but vocoded r909 for rhythm.

and melody.

and everything else, oops.



hello mr green smiley
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[Fred Bevins]

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[Mirfus]

Thanks to the THCs I've found myself wanting to sample trackers a fuckload more!

You can get instantly rich sounding drums from good quality samples. I shall be exploring a lot further fairly soon I think.

[mute]

if we speak strictly drum wise.. i would have voted for samplegrid.
i hope version 2 comes out soon

im definitly using utrk alot lately too.. i find matilde faster because of the limited options it has. its like light tracker vs. full blown tracker
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[z_tetha]

the pros and cons

- Utracker for sheer amount of simultaneous options
(if that is what you need).

- Matilde has the positive cuteness of being able to show more tracks at a time than utracker.

- Utracker doesnt have virtual channels
( wHY?!?!..this would be really usefull mr fuzzpilz ) Matilde i beleive does?

::: for sampled instruments , for sake of example a piano/strings(but- it also applies to crash cymbal roles snare roles and general percussive tails in samples), would be much more relaxing to track with something that doesnt -and like death doesnt discriminate - cut the previous notes tail when a new note occurs on the same track. That way there is no need to scroll to the end of the earth ...

far be it for me to bug you about this fuzzpilz- but I would gladly picket outside your house if i thought you'd budge into adding that feature. (NNA anyone ?! *coughs* - that coffee was strong)

- Samplegrid has similarities to the route drummachines, which is great and having a multiout is just fucking splendid ! just like utracker

[Mirfus]

...utracker it is then

[geroyche]

utracker because of multi-out and advanced commands.

[Fuzzpilz]

UTrk doesn't have virtual channels because that would require a MAJOR rewrite of almost everything. Which is necessary anyway. I plan to start on it after I release it on bm.com, which is still a while away.

[Mirfus]

[Suckow]

I know it might be pathetic, but I think I've used the arguelles pro4 the most, but lately I haven't used it because it's been sounding like crap for me.
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[mute]

i think virtual channels in trackers is extremely overrated except where maybe midi is concerned.. but even then, if you use midi the notes will span over the available tracks added to the pattern, so it doesnt matter much in the end
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[nool]

well all i know is i've been using unwieldy tracker since last nov-dec 2003 and i love it, its just so intricate and fun

the note in the middle forces me to input other values i normally don't modify with say matilde...

like subdivisoin, note delay, note cut, offset, etc .... very quick and easy to get to ...

and the humanization commands, the sample pools, mutli-out, great subdiv (matilde wasn't so accurate after subdiv- ... great delays, cuts, tons of effects per tick ...

can't go wrong with it imo, thanks fuzz
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[wayfinder]

[z_tetha]

[mute]

[nool]

[navidson]

Utracker's been around since April 2003 now or something? A long time anyway... I've been using the betas since it's first conception (hence I've stuck with the 'note in middle' version) and it's pretty much what kept me hooked on buzz, tracking drums and loops in it is an absolute joy. Matilde seems a real hassle to use in comparison.

Fuzzpilz spoils us with his contant stream of new plugins

[RDEskid]

I'm a longtime mTrk user, but it recently started making my songs crash, so I started looking for something new and discovered uTrk, which is just incredible. I still don't understand half the features (ie humanization, note pools), but it's easy, stable, powerful, and, my favorite, it has retrigger and note delay FIELDS, as opposed to the requisite command parameters that I could never memorize in Matilde. And fuzzpilz is the man for putting out both middle and left fields to give us a choice...personally, I have enough things to confuse me without being stopped dead when I'm on a roll by an apparently missing note field (it never fails that I forget where it is if I can't tab right to it...most of my initial Jeskola Bass 3 patterns have nothing but note slides in them), but to each his own. I do miss the simplicity and familiarity of mTrk, but then, I felt the same way about Jeskola Tracker when I switched to mTrk (that one was cutting off my samples halfway through for some reason).

Samplegrid seems interesting and powerful at a glance, but I find it to be just annoying and retrograde in practice...it reminds me of my IT days, and having to build a whole new pattern with all the percussion just to change the HH sample, or add one extra snare hit...maybe I could make better use of it now that I know about Ctrl-Shift-Enter, but for now I'm happy with Utrk.
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[mute]

i dont see utrk as being superior to sgrid in any way, except maybe some bits of the code and pvst out instead of sgrid out (the out machine could actually end up a plus because more features could be added to it without depending on polac, but on the flipside its bad because 'pvst out' is kind of becomming a standard). otherwise i see it as basically the exact same. only one concentrates on triggers and volume and close sequencing tracks, the other concentrates on a traditional tracker. i find sgrid fast as hell to work with.

it also had a lot of great ideas/features before other buzz machines started doing them (groups/sample pools, first sample slot, etc). not to mention it was the first multi-out native buzz tracker. when it first came out i was in la-la land.

personally, i dont consider sgrid a tracker in the first place. it's a drum sampler..

the sample to midi key input binding is also very sexy and intuitive. while most samplers assign by key ranges and splits in a way that I've always found annoying, the way sgrid does it is quick and easy to setup (pick a sample, press a midi key, done... next sample).

i also like how the pattern data is organized.

i think comparing mtrk, utrk, and sgrid is kind of like comparing apples to oranges. they each have their pluses.
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[z_tetha]

but to reply to nools original thread start .
Utracker , both versions.

[mute]

"A Granny Smith apple and a Sunkist navel orange were prepared by gentle desiccation in a convection oven at low temperature over several days. The dried samples were then mixed with potassium bromide and ground in a small ball-bearing mill for two minutes. One hundred milligrams of each of the resulting powders were then pressed into a circular pellet having a diameter of 1 cm and a thickness of approximately 1 mm. Infrared transmission spectra was measured at a resolution of 1 cm-1 using a Nicolet 740 FTIR spectrometer."

wtf. why can't they just peel and eat an orange, and then eat an apple like everyone else. geeks.
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[wayfinder]

Granny Smith are the best though!
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[Hamst3r]

Citrus rules!!


BTW: I don't like using dynamic channels / NNA's. It doesn't fit into my style. :D
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[z_tetha]

anyone who doesnt appreciate NNA also didn't love impulse tracker..
and, quite frankly, I think you are missing out.

Who uses Xs1 ?

[Hamst3r]

I don't use NNA's or IT.

I used FT2 and I use XS-1 too, but rarely with overlapping releases except very minmally on strings, which I'd never do with matilde or uTrk. XS-1 all the way for that.

And I never do drums with XS-1.
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[wayfinder]

NNAs are useful for drums as well... just think about ride cymbals or really anything you play quite fast (like a snare roll)
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[z_tetha]

it seems some people just dont want to see the light

[lykwydchykyn]

I moved from matilde to utracker recently, strictly because of the sample pools feature. I mostly track acoustic drum samples (as opposed to synth drums), so the ability to randomly switch between a pool of samples is absolutely awesome. It really livens up a part, especially ridden parts like hihat or ride. I used to do this manually with matilde, now I don't need to!
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[relativeq]

I do all my drums in Matilde. I almost decided to switch to SGrid, but I'm so used to the way I work in MTrk that it turned into a giant pain in the ass and I gave up.

UTrk is really cool, but I never use any more features than Matilde would give me. I find it a bit overwhelming, and since I only use samples for drums, generally, and all I ever use is trigger, volume, notedelay, and retrig, relearning a tracker doesn't seem productive to me. Of course, I may be missing out on some stuff, but stylistically, I don't think I'd stick with using all those newfangled contraptions anyway.

What I'd really like to see is a tracker with notedelay/notecut columns right next to the volume column like in PVST.
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[Shytan]

Matilde rocks! I got a lot of respect for Fuzzpilz, but Matilde Tracker just seems more handy...

[rorschach]

Samples and tracking - Matilde
Loops - BtdStutter.

Until they stop doing what I want them to do, I don't see myself going elsewhere.