On the one hand its funny, on the one hand it just isn't :(

[nool]

[KoDream]

I was reading a page the other day, and I think it is my new favourite quote.

"recursive tables belong in SQL like hacksaws belong in happy meals" I don't think you need to be database guru to figure that one out.

[usr]

the fun thing is how they went all the way to prolog when they finally extended sql for solving ye olde recursive tree problem, keep it declarative, baby!

(and yes, pl/sql will die when the invasion of sandbox-runtime languages like java and the whole .net thing into the world of procedure storage is completed)
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[wayfinder]

what the fuck? I don't understand what this is about
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[Xenobioz]

[steveg]

I'm not real clear on the point here, either. But just for the record Steeev is no relation to me.

[mute]

i get the point i think so maybe i'll clear it up?

the question is, and nool is commenting on that it is a tragedy that many new buzz users turn to old machines, old tips, bug world. etc.

personally, i think the ppl that do this are of a erm "special" breed. for example... what's going to take a person to psi drum in the first place? Samples. Kits. It's one of those solution plugins for ppl that want drum machines but are too stupid to use .wavs and a sampler. They don't explore any other options because they want to start SOMEWHERE they are familiar with. aka loops and libraries. (tho stereo drumkits in samplegrid would be sexy).

there are also users that end up using old crap because they once used buzz back in 1999 and they dont care to ask anyone for help or to look into what has changed...not until it smacks them in the face. sometimes these users are misinformed by some know-it-all exbuzz user.

anyways, thats 2 scenerios that I think are really common. I also think that these are often side-effects of the Massive Pack distribution, which i've always claimed to be a bad idea. People download and install buzz, they open it up, they right click as instructed so they can see what plugins they have and "HOLY HELL WHAT IS THIS!" How on earth could anyone pretend to imagine that a new user will be able to easily navigate buzz is beyond me.

alot of new users don't even seem to know what a cutoff is.

but, nool.. i nicely disagree. like i said earlier, i don't think these types of people are the majority. after hanging out in #buzz for all these years i've noticed different types of newusers..

there's the experienced, that want to try buzz because of some feature they heard about.

there's the experimental, because of a feature they heard about.

there's the noob, that knows nothing about buzz let alone synthesis and require some direction.

there's the good ones, that are new but have done all the research and RTFM before posting questions @ places like buzzmachines or anywhere else... so they don't end up asking questions like "how come the sequencer will only loop one pattern?", etc.

then there's the noob that comes along, doesn't have any desire to RTFM and never will.. probably cant even tell you what it looks like. These are the guys alot of ppl notice the most because they are the MOST ANNOYING.

(there's other types of new users but eh this was just an example)

It's like the saying - bad memories stick around.. happy ones are easily forgotten. or something along those lines.

i feel like i've thought about this enough to last me the year.
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[geroyche]

hmm.
time for an optional 'quality' index in the large packs....

[mute]

i should rephrase some of that about the massive packs. i still think they are a bad idea -- as an install -- but massive packs of machines themselves isn't bad... i guess... for the people that listen to other people's bmx's alot.

for those that dont, i still suggest getting machines as you need/want them. like when i goto kvr and search for something specific.
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[btd]

New users going for old machines is inevitable. OK, so imagine you've just downloaded this weird Buzz program thingy from bm.com. Look at the FAQ, it links to buzzmanual.com. Go through the "getting started" tutorial, and the first machine you get to add is Geonik's Primifun. I'm not saying Primifun's a bad machine, but when was the last time you used it?

Now Google for 'buzz tutorial' and click the first result. Do as it says, and load Rout 808 and Geonik's Compressor. Oh dear. How about the second result? Geonik's Primifun, FSM PanzerDelay, Rout 808, FSM chorus, Automation EQ-7, a slight improvement. Third result? Nool's page, getting better, but still doesn't link to any "total beginner's" tutorials using machines written in the last 2 or 3 years. Even the tutorial on the wiki, which is unlikely to be found by beginners anyway, uses Jeskola Bass 2 and Jeskola Delay.

And you wonder why people try Buzz once and go away thinking it sounds cheap and metallic. If you tell people to use ancient machines from the get-go, when are they supposed to learn to avoid them and move onto more recent ones?

[usr]

disclaimer: i'm drunk as fuck and i hope that this post will be so radically stupid that you will see it even if you skipped this sentence:

noobs should first dig into advanced peer controllage, i trust in tinga that he will find a way to get music out of buzz without any real generators at all, this will certainly be a review that is getting lots of attention by us, and eventually by google.

back to slightly more serious: forcing the hamsterindex onto n00bs will solve most of the problems, and primifun still pwnz ur m0m, period.
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[KoDream]

Ye-es ., Ye-es wha at we a.. ne-ad is a.. crack for a.. ki-itti-es!

[wayfinder]

[Suckow]

I realized that I just sucked and it wasn't buzz screwing things up, so I stuck with it- I don't have the money for anything else anyway. I'm still screwing tracks up and I still even use the occational outdated machine because I don't feel like learning the parameters of a new one. I'm still a noob and I've been using buzz for two years.
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[nool]

mute - very good explanation, i did not think about it deeply enough, you have shed light - it really comes down to the user, where there is a will there is a way

btd - not all bad ppl do find buzzwiki
http://buzzwiki.wipe-records.org/statistics/
not too shabby
4150 visitiors in Oct so far ... not sure if thats unique ips though

but you are right, all these old urls around the net and old descriptions and stuff, its not as good ! guess thats what comes with age ... dare i say maturity ? Well, i guess the ones who figure buzz out are the ones that are supposed to

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on a side note, i recently removed all of my vsts and am going to stick with only buzzmachines + samples for a while

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[Inductive]

I dont know, does it realy matter if the first machine someone uses is a bass2? the first few songs are going to sound horrible, they always do. Might as well start with a simplistic machine. I think the next big step people take is going from bass's and filters to things like infector and reverbs. At that point they will start to look online for some more advanced things, and they will find them. Buzzmachines is a great place to start. This place is a great place to start. I dont think learning how to make new patterns and add them to the sequencer and all the realy basic stuff is any better or easier using newer better machines. That how I justify not trying to make new ones
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[hyena]

ehhrrrmm,
am i so much lame coz i still use whitenoise looper II ?

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[Paul Eye]

And then of course you have people like this who have been using Buzz since 3 years back (check his profile... ).

I just find this rather amusing

[nool]

[attreyu]

I'm new to the software (and synth's in general). I downloaded it yesterday or the day before. Sure the tutorial was a little old, it took me ages to find that first generator. But I did it, and it wasn't a big deal.

If anyone wants to help me out, I'm trying to make an "aaaahhh" effect that most synth's can do. The 'experimental' Firesledge RectalAnarchy can do it, except it's really bad quality and sounds like an 8-bit videogame. What's the best generator/preset to get this kind of effect? I know I'm also going to have to add some huge-ass reverb to make it sound the way I want.

[Xenobioz]

[nool]

[wayfinder]

[Xenobioz]

[Xenobioz]

Hmmm, wtf!!

I thought Kyrie supported midi and was going to pla with it but then noticed there was no sound. I go to the attributes to look if you can set a midi channel there but find nothing there.


But IIRC Kyrie was a little bit buggy so it doesnt matter. that much. Shame though that such powerfull synth remains unused.
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[wayfinder]

Use Polac MIDI.. just connect kyrie -> polac midi.
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[Xenobioz]

hmm Im not sure how to use this, It says error device already in use?

I meant to play with my keyboard btw so maybe you misunderstood?
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[Xenobioz]

Tried Polacs VSTI loader but the presets dont work you only get 1 env and 1 osc
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[wayfinder]

Hmm what about mC-1?
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[nool]

how about peerchord ?
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[Xenobioz]

[z_tetha]

[Xenobioz]

Hmm, well it really could use a manual becuse I can only assign a generator and load a midi but nothing else. It wont make a sound (on the gen its assigned to.)

You cant select midi channels either so.
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[e-client]

[e-client]

[e-client]

btw... giving my answer to the poll:

listen to "dexter - i dont care"
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[spiritcatcher]

i'd advise to do 2 things :

a) WORK ON THE BUZZWIKI ! we got the general topics covered there, but all the q/a stuff from the forums is still not in there. only VERY FEW buzzmachines offer a helpfile. so we should get or tips & tricks to the others into the wiki...

b) new buzzers think buzz sounds odd, metallic, oldschool synth or whatever ? so let's compile a new pack of demo tunes. everyone throws one or two bmx's (or even better bmw's) he's proud of into the pool, everyone checks if these run stable on most buzzes, and we'll vote the best 20 or such...


... p.s : yeah, i'm still living, but my monitor died. so i got my old peacock out again... we call it the microwave. running buzz on 640x480 is a nearly impossible, but then i remembered the 848x480 setting ( no joke ! ). that's only a pain in the ass, so i'm buzzing again. ^^

[DocBexter]

im one of those "use buzz like in 1999 users" hehe - but works fine for me ...