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| Buzzle (Hotkey) |
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| Visnorwig (Cyanphase) |
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| Project Cockslap (Paniq) |
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| Flouie (Hal) |
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| Psycle ([JAZ] et al.) - I'm not sure how to classify this.. It's quite established, but to me it's not a buzz replacement |
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| Comedy "Buzz2" option |
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wayfinder
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 Posted: Saturday September 11th, 2004 22:17 Post subject: Which buzz clone(s) will succeed? |
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There are a number of programs in development that are quite similar to buzz. Which of those do you think will develop into something usable, or even a replacement for buzz?
Have I forgotten any major contenders?
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vaud
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| Posted: Saturday September 11th, 2004 22:18 Post subject: |
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Ronny Pries
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Let's do forget Aero Studio. It's released, it's commercial, there's no manual.  |
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sup909
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| Posted: Saturday September 11th, 2004 23:16 Post subject: |
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hmm i have actually never heard of the other clone projects besides buzzle. buzzle seems furthest along and already has the buzzlib liscence.
Aero was a big dissappointment, and psycle is nice, just different from buzz. Its development has faltered some however.
Buzzle also seems closest to the orginal buzz interface, which for me is the benefit of using buzz. |
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wayfinder
my afro is puffy what are you talking about
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| Posted: Saturday September 11th, 2004 23:37 Post subject: |
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Added Aero.
I hope Hotkey can get his act together in terms of cpu usage..
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vaud
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| The only real problem with Aero is that it's been released. It's obviously not finished. If only the first "1" in the version number was a "0" then things would be just swell. It's definitely the sexiest Buzz clone, however. But Buzzle gets bonus points for the merchandise! |
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usr
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| Posted: Sunday September 12th, 2004 1:40 Post subject: |
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registering a logo with a print-on-demand provider hardly entitles for bonus points...
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Farq
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| Posted: Sunday September 12th, 2004 2:09 Post subject: |
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Buzzle will definitely be the most successful with me. While I was reading the notes on it, I'd realized that almost every feature I wanted in Buzz was available, and a lot I didn't even jokingly wish for (like cleanup, machine view panning, drag connections...)
It crashes pretty hard and frequently on my XP box, but so do most 3D accellerated games, so I'm sure it's not all Buzzle's fault.
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wperkins
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Never tried any of them, heh.
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DJFlamethrower
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| Posted: Monday September 13th, 2004 16:22 Post subject: buzz2 |
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"Comedy "Buzz2" option" - someone really be going to do buzz2, or just joke  ?
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Farq
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| Posted: Monday September 13th, 2004 19:59 Post subject: Re: buzz2 |
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| DJFlamethrower wrote: | | "Comedy "Buzz2" option" - someone really be going to do buzz2, or just joke ? |
Buzz2 gives me the IT3 feeling. Seems people have been waiting for it for far too long. It's the kind of thing you probably shouldn't even think about -- if/when it happens, celebrate (if it's worth celebrating), and if not... well, Buzz is a killer app already, no?
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wayfinder
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Buzz2 will actually be bundled with IT3... and Duke Nukem Forever.
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| Posted: Monday September 13th, 2004 22:47 Post subject: |
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who wants anything new ?
buzz1 works fine just as is 
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| Quote: | who wants anything new ?
buzz1 works fine just as is |
Hear, hear, although I wouldn't mind a bit more stability. but i guess if Buzz2 ever comes out, I'll be lucky if my head doesn't explode from sheer joy. It nearly did on that april fools joke 
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usr
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| Posted: Wednesday September 15th, 2004 22:40 Post subject: |
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look at me i made a reenactment version of the famous buzzle video 
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liquid boy
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| Posted: Friday September 17th, 2004 3:37 Post subject: |
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i can't believe no one else voted for psycle
| Quote: | | psycle is nice, just different from buzz. Its development has faltered some however. |
um, actually, developement is still happening. there are plans to ad multisequence capability to it, and to make it a cross platform application...
i think psycle is the most likely to succeed. what happened with buzz interms of the stopping of development is nearly impossible with psycle, because of its open source status. |
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nool
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| Posted: Friday September 17th, 2004 4:43 Post subject: |
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| liquid boy wrote: | i can't believe no one else voted for psycle
| Quote: | | psycle is nice, just different from buzz. Its development has faltered some however. |
um, actually, developement is still happening. there are plans to ad multisequence capability to it, and to make it a cross platform application...
i think psycle is the most likely to succeed. what happened with buzz interms of the stopping of development is nearly impossible with psycle, because of its open source status. |
ok, what the fascination of multipattern sequencing is, i will never know, but its been possible with buzz for years now
BTDSys Peerchord
BTDSys Peerchord light
BTDSys Samplegrid and Samplegrid Out
Fuzzpilz Unwieldy Tracker ("beta") (Polac Out I)
and PVST with VSTi/VST that have multiout (Polac Out I, II)
and i think Ohm's new LiveSlice machine has some peer out capabilities
A Screenshot
and some relevant links
http://www.noolmusic.com/fat/Multipattern_sequencer.shtml
Peerchord Multiout
http://web.hibo.no/~mva/viewreview.php?id=947
Samplegrid and Multiout Tutorials http://www.noolmusic.com/buzzreview/tracker_tutorial.shtml
and with Fuzzpilz Utracker - a bmx example
http://www.noolmusic.com/temp/utrck_multiout_example.bmx
so yea buzz can do it too for a long time now, nothing new
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liquid boy
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| Posted: Saturday September 18th, 2004 0:05 Post subject: |
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| um, yep i'm well aware that buzz has had multi pattern sequencing for ages... i'm not sure what you thought i was saying... i was just saying how developement is still going on... |
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I think in terms of "succeeding", Psycle has proven itself a long time ago. However, it will never replace Buzz outright, as it has a different feel to it that not everyone prefers (or at least it has a different feel that I don't prefer). Just like Aero and Buzzle, and probably the others, in fact.
So my vote goes to the cool-looking program usr is playing with in that video |
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yeah it's some kind of patched up inofficial beta of some vintage underground sequencer/synthesizer app. it doesn't even have it's official web site left, so i don't feel it would be ok to share it, sorry.
rumors have it that some modules are made by an enterprise with deep ties into the penispheric movement, which means that it could contain all kinds of spy code that could potentially be used to blackmail disbelievers. really dangerous stuff, don't try at home.
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 wtf where did this icon come from? 
video!! those pattern features?!@#>!@ 
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z_tetha
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| Posted: Sunday September 19th, 2004 16:47 Post subject: r e m i n d e r |
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Ganz Geil ! you missed the repeated shouting of 'MACHEIN VIEEUUU '
anyone reading this who has not yet backed up their buzzinstall for a while should take this time to do it. ..if that makes sense. |
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paniq
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knowing, what development environment and language is used to
code buzzle (delphi), how old the developer is, what aspects of the
application he focused on first (networking before getting machines to
work right), what other wrong priorities were set (nothing bad about
motivating oneself, but is merchandise for vaporware really
neccessary?), i predict that cockslap will have a greater chance of
getting finished - tho i know how slow i progress with cockslap.
actually buzzle was the reason why i started working on cs.
considering cyans pace, visnorwig might get finished first. |
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BeeKeeper
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| Posted: Tuesday September 28th, 2004 12:18 Post subject: |
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| btd wrote: | I think in terms of "succeeding", Psycle has proven itself a long time ago. However, it will never replace Buzz outright, as it has a different feel to it that not everyone prefers (or at least it has a different feel that I don't prefer). Just like Aero and Buzzle, and probably the others, in fact.
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I think - if the Psycle will have a Buzz-like sequencer, it will
be very good tracker. Is'n't ? |
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z_tetha
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| Posted: Tuesday September 28th, 2004 12:25 Post subject: beekeeper |
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there is a strand of psycle that has a buzz-alike-sequencer.
go to #psycle on efnet ask around. i've seen it. |
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z_tetha
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| Posted: Tuesday September 28th, 2004 15:02 Post subject: |
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However: psycle only has around 30 machines orso... compared to the _i dont even want to count them_ maches buzz has. its not a contender in the race. anything psycle can do, buzz can do better:)
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paniq
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| Posted: Tuesday September 28th, 2004 15:07 Post subject: |
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| psycle suffers from its missing multisequencer, and the devs are nerdish oldskoolers who'd rather want to assrim a donkey than add that feature to psycle. |
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z_tetha
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| Posted: Tuesday September 28th, 2004 15:13 Post subject: |
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http://www.deepline.pl/psycle/
paniq. for you
the problem with this branche of psycle is big.
the developer who took it upon himself to extend the multi pattern sequencer will only let others develop his addition to the source if/when a some of money is donated. noone wanted to, so when it branched it died instantly in development. .. |
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Mirfus
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| Posted: Tuesday September 28th, 2004 15:48 Post subject: |
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Here's the state of opinions at micromusic:
Psycle tracker get's 5.0 dunno if that's the same as pscyle - I would imagine so... |
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ld0d
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ekral
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| Posted: Tuesday September 28th, 2004 16:13 Post subject: |
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Hi Mirfus,
as I see that very very old polls, but please notice that Buzz isnt like oldschool tracker, if you like oldschool go for Psycle (yes I think its same like Psycle tracker) but Buzz is somewhere else now, unfortunately if Psycle support Buzz machines from beggining it could be somewhere else now.
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Mirfus
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| Posted: Tuesday September 28th, 2004 16:16 Post subject: |
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| ekral wrote: | | if you like oldschool go for Psycle |
Nope - Buzz is Da BOY!
That is all |
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z_tetha
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| Posted: Tuesday September 28th, 2004 21:23 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | if Psycle support Buzz machines from beggining it could be somewhere else now. |
it did originaly support buzzmachines but this didnt go down well with oskari.
yteah ofcourse depending on where you go polls will be biased. |
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Mirfus
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| Posted: Wednesday September 29th, 2004 8:59 Post subject: |
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| z_tetha wrote: | | depending on where you go polls will be biased. |
- I know, just stumbled across it yesterday and thought it wor'intrestin' |
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liquid boy
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| Posted: Thursday September 30th, 2004 12:15 Post subject: |
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| z_tetha wrote: | | However: psycle only has around 30 machines orso... compared to the _i dont even want to count them_ maches buzz has. its not a contender in the race. anything psycle can do, buzz can do better:) |
well, acutally many many people are of the opinion that psycle sounds *much* better than buzz... (which is an area that psycle has over buzz) psycle's machies are very good... plus there's always vst's ... so i dont' really think that the number of machines has much to do with it... - besides the ammount of machines is a double edged sword... it also makes it crash heaps... plus buzz looks plain henis (pronounce phonetically) - psycle is a much more relaxing environment to work in...
btw, in psycle there is a command (FDxx) to delay the trigering of a note a fraction of a tick (to give that nice human feeling to drum patterns etc) i havn't been able to figure out how to do this (easily) in buzz... is there a way? |
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ekral
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| Posted: Thursday September 30th, 2004 13:07 Post subject: |
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to wayfinder:
 long story, but I will stay away from saying that Psycle sound is much better then program xyz.
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ekral
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| Posted: Thursday September 30th, 2004 13:08 Post subject: |
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| to wayfinder and liquid boy: sorry last msg was for liquid boy |
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